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del Message 1395818 has been deleted. Message: 1395867, 836 lines Posted: 9:17am EDT, Thu Jul 17/86, imported: 7:34pm EDT, Thu Jul 17/86 Subject: Delphi Mac Digest V2 #29 To: Peter_Johnston@UQV-MTS, MacTechnics User Group, John Dorsey, Gavin Eadie, Alex_Ranous@UB-MTS, Abraham Vanderspek From: SHULMAN@RED.RUTGERS.EDU Delphi Mac Digest Thursday, 17 July 1986 Volume 2 : Issue 29 Today's Topics: RE: Copy-protection (Re: Msg 10157) RE: Copy-protection (Re: Msg 10162) RE: Copy-protection (Re: Msg 10163) RE: Copy-protection (Re: Msg 10163) RE: Copy-protection (Re: Msg 10071) RE: MaxPrint on a + w/HD20 RE: Copy-protection (Re: Msg 10163) RE: Mac C for MPW? (Re: Msg 279) Extensible Desk Accessories RE: Extensible Desk Accessories (Re: Msg 286) RE: Extensible Desk Accessories (Re: Msg 286) RE: Extensible Desk Accessories (Re: Msg 294) RE: Extensible Desk Accessories (Re: Msg 296) Dollars & Sense RE: Dollars & Sense (Re: Msg 10225) Toshiba 321 et.al. RE: Toshiba 321 et.al. (Re: Msg 10247) RE: Toshiba 321 et.al. (Re: Msg 10258) RE: Toshiba 321 et.al. (Re: Msg 10326) RE: Toshiba 321 et.al. (Re: Msg 10286) INITs RE: INITs (Re: Msg 292) Double Helix and new ROM's Flaming and Electronic Communications TWILIGHT ZONE SCRAPBOOK RE: TWILIGHT ZONE SCRAPBOOK (Re: Msg 10302) RE: TWILIGHT ZONE SCRAPBOOK (Re: Msg 10310) RE: TWILIGHT ZONE SCRAPBOOK (Re: Msg 10310) Lightspeed Pascal Preview RE: Macintosh Programmers Workshop (Re: Msg 10255) MacWrite dies a horrible death RE: MacWrite dies a horrible death (Re: Msg 10321) RE: MacWrite dies a horrible death (Re: Msg 10331) MPW bugs RE: MPW bugs (Re: Msg 307) Apple Positions RE: Copy-protection (Re: Msg 10298) RE: MultiWrite review ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FRIED (10162) Subject: RE: Copy-protection (Re: Msg 10157) Date: 12-JUL 16:18 Business Mac There's another approach. I don't use software I can't copy. Should I inadvertently buy copy-protected software that I can't copy, I just leave it -on the shelf until I can. That's happened a couple of times. There is currently nothing on the shelf. Bob ------------------------------ From: BILLIAM (10163) Subject: RE: Copy-protection (Re: Msg 10162) Date: 12-JUL 17:27 Business Mac I use Interlace also and find it a very powerful program but FAR short of what it could be. The REPORT section is much too confusing to set up a complicated report. I would like to see a feature that lets one construct a report the way you can construct a query - through dialog boxes. You can do it on ONE file now but you can't ask for fields that are linked to the current one without figuring it out manually. Singular Software claims there will be an update coming around September which I think is going to be a little closer to Helix in constructing files and reports. I have a different complaint with Interlace's protection scheme. As it is now you can use your working copy of the program for 2 weeks before inserting the MASTER to validate it for another 2 weeks. I travel with my mac and have been on the road when the program asked for the MASTER which was 700 miles away. I could have brought the master with me but I forgot my working copy might expire while away. This only happened once but once is enough to get your hair raised. - Billiam ------------------------------ From: MACMAG (10164) Subject: RE: Copy-protection (Re: Msg 10163) Date: 12-JUL 17:43 Business Mac I had a similar adventure with the software myself. I stored the original (where I live In Montreal) and went on a trip using a backup. I had brought everything (manual et all...) except for the original which was back in Montreal. Anyways, As I was working with the program 2 days after, it asked for the master disk which I didn't bring. I accidently re-inserted the backup and it worked. I should try this again when it asks me for the master again to see if it was -a freak nuclear accident or just the way the software works. Rich. ------------------------------ From: MOUSEKETEER (10167) Subject: RE: Copy-protection (Re: Msg 10163) Date: 12-JUL 18:48 Business Mac This may be boneheaded and overtly personal view, but why not just use Helix? There are still several mail-order places offering V.1 at under $80, and the upgrade to 2.0 is free from Odesta. .l t Best of all, of course, it is TOTALLY NON-COPY PROTECTED! Alf ------------------------------ From: RONB (10157) Subject: RE: Copy-protection (Re: Msg 10071) Date: 12-JUL 15:04 Business Mac I agree that Interlace is a great prograam, especially at the price. It is powerful, flexible, and surprisingly easy to work with and figure out. I like it it lot. However, I think your statement about the copy- protecton misses the point. If the (one) key disk that is supplied goes to magnetic heaven, your business is frozen until you can get a replacement. They do supply a second key disk for $10, but that makes no sense. If they think I'll give it to a friend, then $10 is too cheap. If they think I'll keep it, $10 is too much for a disk. It doesn't matter to me how often I have to stick the disk in the drive, I just don't want to be left with a database I can't get into. If they insist on protecton, they should have supplied two key disks, so you can keep on working while one is replaced, should it go bad. I ? know, I know, shut up and pay the $10! <grin> Ron. ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH (10197) Subject: RE: MaxPrint on a + w/HD20 Date: 12-JUL 23:27 Network Digests To: cjn@calmasd.CALMA.UUCP (Cheryl Nemeth) We have used MaxPrint with a Plus and Hard Disk 20 and it seems to work fine. Ric Ford, "MacInTouch" ------------------------------ From: RSTICKLE (10215) Subject: RE: Copy-protection (Re: Msg 10163) Date: 13-JUL 09:06 Business Mac Speaking of copy protection, is anyone using Fullpaint? I was real interested -u until I heard it was copy protected. How good (ba?) is the protection? I -figure I don't want anything I can't move after the crap I went threw trying to get some things to 800K disks after going to the +, and sooner or later I'm sure I'll get a hard disk. --Rick-- ------------------------------ From: PEABO (282) Subject: RE: Mac C for MPW? (Re: Msg 279) Date: 12-JUL 23:17 Current Discussions I'm not really a UNIX fan, but I appreciate having the tools that have tradionally developed around UNIX (grep, diff, make). I've been too busy to ask Apple to include me in the beta test of MPW, but I am eager to see it when it comes out. On a negative note, Steve Jasik (MACNOSY) is not impressed by the code coming out of the MPW Pascal. He thinks that a better optimizer would shrink it down by 20-30% in his MacNosy program. peter ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM (286) Subject: Extensible Desk Accessories Date: 13-JUL 06:24 Current Discussions Peter asked me to start a thread on extensible DAs. There are several reasons one would want such DAs. The first is synergy -- if a product like MacLightning could actually correct text, it'd be much more useful. The second is Apple's ever-annoying limit of 14 DAs. How many DAs that show a list of files and let you do something to one of them do you need? One should be sufficient, but a DA that does everything would be too big for many people to install. Hence plug-in modules would be handy. My thoughts are that DAs should make the minimum amount of information available to be extensible. Not only does this protect the designer's code, it also lets him expand the product without having to worry too much about keeping things compatible. I've only been able to think of ways to extend my own DAs; I hope the rest of you can come up with some different ideas. Acta 1.1 will have some hooks so that other programs can get at its data structures. It should be possible to write a DA that could print the open Acta document. If you want this information, mail me a proposal. (Note that the Acta document format is already available in the databases here.) The next release of miniWRITER will put the TextEdit handle in the window's refCon. This would allow spelling checkers to correct text. Or a compiler could compile the text. I'm thinking of putting a feature in DiskInfo so hackers could add items to the menu. New items would call a code resource, which could do such things as display, copy, or even launch a file. Presumably these items would be disabled unless a file was selected (tho this would make person X's idea of show contiguous block [sorry, but I just trashed my hard disk and lost your message] unworkable). I'd be passing something like an SFReply to your routine. ------------------------------ From: ASMCOR (294) Subject: RE: Extensible Desk Accessories (Re: Msg 286) Date: 13-JUL 20:55 Current Discussions I like the concept of extensible Da's, definitely. It seems to me that they are so incredible diverse, it would take some doing to come up with any standard format for such a thing, though. Interesting note, some spelling checker will work on a DA. MacGAS from enterset is one (although it crashes a lot, it does find the word and replace it). I'm not sure how they are locating the textedit record. Your idea of putting the handle in the window refcon is great, unless it's being used (I use it in my own textedit DA). Have to give this some thought. Jan ------------------------------ From: PEABO (296) Subject: RE: Extensible Desk Accessories (Re: Msg 286) Date: 13-JUL 21:48 Current Discussions Re: extensibility -- another benefit is that these same plug in modules could connect with something other than a DA, such as an application in Servant or somebody's Standard File interface in a random application program, and only the base module would have to change. I am thinking about that list of ten chanlleges to the Mac sommunity (Meyer's?) from the Network Digests a while back ... he was talking about gluing together small modules. This is an extension of the idea of DA's ... that rather thatn building large integrated applications, all from scratch everytime, and reinventing the wheel, take the things that people have developed as highly-refined modules and be able to configure them into a custom functional array. By the way, JIMH's idea wouldn't be impossible under your scheme, David, just pass something else to the hook when no file is selected, or allow window or disk hooks to be activated by certain buttons. peter ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM (300) Subject: RE: Extensible Desk Accessories (Re: Msg 294) Date: 14-JUL 03:29 Current Discussions I wasn't thinking of doing anything on a standard basis; my methods for Acta, DiskInfo, and miniWRITER are different. I suppose if one wanted a single standard, one would put the global base in the window's refCon. Actually, -it'd be more standard to put the global base at dCtlStorage (which is what I think LightspeedC does), but I don't like that idea for lots of reasons. I suspect refCon is less often used than dCtlStorage. It's possible to patch one of the TextEdit routines (I think it's a low-level one, Meredith Lesly discovered it) to save the current TEHandle somewhere; MacGAS could be doing that. Of course, programs like MacWrite and QUED don't use TextEdit. ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM (310) Subject: RE: Extensible Desk Accessories (Re: Msg 296) Date: 15-JUL 21:15 Current Discussions My idea for DiskInfo extensibility was simply that anyone could add a line to the menu's STR resource. A better way would be to use AddResMenu. Different resource types would indicate that the option works from the disk display or the file display. ------------------------------ From: TSTEIN (10225) Subject: Dollars & Sense Date: 13-JUL 16:12 Business Mac Have you had any bad experience with Dollars & Sense version 1.4. I have an earlier version that doesn't run reliably under the new ROMs. Monogram says that version 1.4 works with HFS and the 128K ROMs. They are charging $45.00 for an upgrade (which seems steep since it looks to me like a bug fix). Do you have any knowledge or hearsay about this version of this product not working? ------------------------------ From: LOFTUSBECKER (10230) Subject: RE: Dollars & Sense (Re: Msg 10225) Date: 13-JUL 18:36 Business Mac I have version 1.3 of Dollars and Sense and it seems to work fine with the -128K ROMs, so long as its special little files are in its own folder or the Blessed Folder. There's an odd bug that appears if you have any MENU resources in the System file, but that doesn't happen often. - Loftt ------------------------------ From: TSTEIN (10226) Subject: Toshiba 321 et.al. Date: 13-JUL 16:12 Hardware & Peripherals Has anyone used the Toshiba 321 (or 341 or 351) 24-pin printer with the Mac? -If so, what has been your experience? Also, what did you use for a printer -driver. The only one I know of is ToshStart from Soft Style. Are there others? I would like to be able to mix letter quality text with graphics. The Imagewriters are too slow and too low-quality. The Toshiba printer supports high-resolution graphics and a good near-letter-quality. I wonder how well the Mac drives it. ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH (10258) Subject: RE: Toshiba 321 et.al. (Re: Msg 10247) Date: 13-JUL 23:18 Hardware & Peripherals I'd be surprised if you found any dot-matrix printers that work as well as the ImageWriter, overall, with the Mac. Two tips for better output are: use the Boston II font or print out then reduce (78% or 85%) with a copier. We used to do that for "Handle" and the result was quite like letter-quality when we used high-resolution mode before reducing. (Used Geneva font back then). Ric Ford ------------------------------ From: TSTEIN (10286) Subject: RE: Toshiba 321 et.al. (Re: Msg 10258) Date: 14-JUL 18:43 Hardware & Peripherals Thanks. My objections to the IW are two: too slow, too rough. I'm hoping that someone has a driver that uses the Toshiba internal font for characters (i.e., as a letter quality printer like the Diablo 630) and the graphics for Mac graphics. Is this possible to do? Thanks for the advice about reducing. I'll try it. ------------------------------ From: TSTEIN (10338) Subject: RE: Toshiba 321 et.al. (Re: Msg 10326) Date: 15-JUL 20:43 Hardware & Peripherals I called SoftStyle. They have evidently just released new versions of all -their printer drivers. Say they are much faster. The Toshiba driver comes with Mac fonts that emulate the built-in (ROM) fonts in the printer, so that you can -get a good representation of the text as it will print. Sounds good. ------------------------------ From: HALL (10344) Subject: RE: Toshiba 321 et.al. (Re: Msg 10286) Date: 15-JUL 22:48 Hardware & Peripherals If you want to use the Toshiba's internal fonts for printing, just print in draft mode. You can set up the default font using dip switches, and the text will be printed in that font. With my Epson, I can select the type font from the printer's keypad, so I can print easily in any "font" that I choose (NLQ, draft, italic, etc.). Normally, though, I'd just use a font in the document and print using medium or high quality. All of this should be taken care of by the driver. All you really have to worry about are the driver itself and the proper cable. Printers Plus is a good place to buy a printer. Their prices aren't exactly the lowest (close, though), but they're fast and seem to know a lot more than anybody else. I was looking for an FX-185 , and they told me about the FX-286 a month before anybody else had heard about it. I had the printer before most of the other places knew it existed. Brian ------------------------------ From: LOFTUSBECKER (292) Subject: INITs Date: 13-JUL 18:13 Programming Techniques Has anyone made a list of the System 3.2 INITs and what they do? I was about to try my hand at disassembling them, but then thought I'd much rather not reinvent the wheel unless I have to. - Lofty ------------------------------ From: JIMH (306) Subject: RE: INITs (Re: Msg 292) Date: 14-JUL 23:39 Programming Techniques Lofty, here is some brief documentation on the init resources. i would be -glad to send you ad to send you the sources, any help in deciphering them furthur would be a appreciated. jim System 3.2 Inits 0 - Keyboard translator (vector to this placed in KeyTrans) Converts from keycode to ascii appears to do something else havent had a chance yet to check it out 1 - Keypad translator (vector to this placed in Key2Trans Converts keypad codes to ascii 2 - Error handler 3 - patch OpenResFile ROM routine Checks for minifinder and uses it if four conditions are satisfied 1. this one i cant figure out (SDENABLE what is it ?) 2. is the option key pressed ( run finder if so) 3. is findername = current application name 4. is there a file called minifinder on disk If all of these pass the name minifinder replaces finder in the current application name. and old openResFile routine called. 13 - patch OpenRF, and something else? OpenRF - I havent looked at the code yet other - I dont know its trap number appears to be blockmove but is is checking FMStyleTab + 5 which has something to do with the font manager i havent had a chance to look into it yet. 31 - reads other init resource from files 35 - has something to do with the disk cache appears to load the cache software in from resource file among other things. ------------------------------ From: JOJ ( 10248) Subject: Double Helix and new ROM's Date: 13-JUL 21:55 Bugs & Features I am running a 512 Mac with a 10 meg hyperdrive. Up until last week I was running system 3.2 and finder 5.3 with no obvious problems. Last week I upgraded to new ROM's and internal drive. I have had major problems running Double Helix programs since the upgrade. Templates of complex forms no longer fit the page (up to 15% wider than before upgrade). In addition, I have had a number of system crashes when I least expect them. Most are ID=02, one was ID=q9. I have the hyperdrive cache set off and the system ram cache set off. Any ideas on what is going on??? Thanks Jerald Jacobson ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH (10275) Subject: Flaming and Electronic Communications Date: 14-JUL 09:31 Telecommunicating The latest newsletter from the Computer Professionals for Social -Responsibility has an interesting reprint of an article from the New York Times (Tues., 2 -Oct. 1984, p. C1) on how electronic communications tends to have more flaming and emotional outbursts than face-to-face contact. The article says that another feature of computer conferencing is that it is much more democratic in letting everyone express his opinions equally. Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility PO Box 717 Palo Alto, CA 94301 415-322-3778 Ric Ford ------------------------------ From: PIZZAMAN (10302) Subject: TWILIGHT ZONE SCRAPBOOK Date: 14-JUL 23:13 Bugs & Features Peter, I'm now running system 3.2/finder 5.3, and thought the bugs in the scrapebook would be cured. However, last night, while copying and pasting to Macpaint via the scrapbook, a couple of mysterious paint "scraps" materialized out of the "twilight zone". Just like Rod Steiger's T.V. show from 20 years ago, that had been bouncing around the skies. Actually, the scrapbook file may have been created on old system 3.1.1. After a couple of tries, it seemed to heal itself. Could this be the explaination, or does 3.2 also have some problems with the scrapbook? barry ------------------------------ From: PEABO (10310) Subject: RE: TWILIGHT ZONE SCRAPBOOK (Re: Msg 10302) Date: 15-JUL 00:41 Bugs & Features I recently heard of two problems with Scrapbook. One of them only -materializes under some conditions when in the Finder (apparently the Scrapbook DA looks in all open resource files, not just the scrapbook, and can sometimes find bogus resources). The other sounds like what you mentioned. I never use the scrapbook, so I haven't personally encountered either of these difficulties. peter ------------------------------ From: MACMAG (10346) Subject: RE: TWILIGHT ZONE SCRAPBOOK (Re: Msg 10310) Date: 15-JUL 23:36 Bugs & Features I used to get old scrapbook picts appear in the clipboard instead of what was on the screen... till I noticed that those old scrapbook items were PageMaker items... So I started ResEdit and removed the ALDU resources that were added from PageMaker in the scrapbook. When I returned, everything could then be fixed with cut/paste. Rich ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM (10375) Subject: RE: TWILIGHT ZONE SCRAPBOOK (Re: Msg 10310) Date: 16-JUL 04:22 Bugs & Features I don't think it's bogus resources, it's a trashed SMAP resource (which is how the Scrapbook keeps track of what resources are on what page). ------------------------------ From: PEABO (10305) Subject: Lightspeed Pascal Preview Date: 15-JUL 00:20 Programming Lightspeed Pascal, the newest innovation from THINK Technologies, was called -by the codename "Quicksilver" during its development, according to Andrew Singer and Eric Gould of THINK who were at the July 9 meeting of the Boston Computer Society Macintosh Users' Group to show a preview of their new product. This event marks the two year anniversary of the debut of MacPascal, which THINK developed for Apple as the interactive program development for the rest of us. MacPascal has never been a system for serious development, even though its debugging tools are superb (line-by-line execution, breakpoints, ability to observe the values of program variables in a separate window, and instant evaluation of expressions based on the value of runtime variables). With the debut of Lightspeed Pascal, the developers at THINK have given us the -debugging power of MacPascal and the speed of both compilation and execution that we saw a few months ago in LightspeedC, combined in one product. At the BCS meeting we saw a demo of the 8 Queens problem, first in MacPascal, and then in Lightspeed Pascal. What takes two and a half minutes to run in MacPascal is over in 16 seconds using Lightspeed Pascal. Lightspeed Pascal (let's call it LSP for short) uses the same project structure as LightspeedC (LSC). There are some differences in the way the menus are laid out, and what appears in the project list, and it seemed able to add interface packages as required, a feature missing from LSC. The production of a clickable interface was not quite as straightforward as with LSC, requiring a minor modification to the source file. A new feature from LSC is the use of a graphic bar to show percentage of compilation. Even though this is a compiler (unlike MacPascal, which is an interpreter), it still has the debugging features of MacPascal: instant, observe, text, and drawing windows, single step execution, and breakpoints, as well as support -for MacsBug for particularly intransigent problems. There is no runtime package required (a support library is linked in), there is no royalty for use of the support library. The program is not copy-protected, and will be sold starting in August at a retail price of $125. Code quality is estimated to be slightly less good (by 5-8%) than the Lisa Workshop Pascal, which has a full dataflow optimizer. However, THINK is committed to an agressive product support strategy and will be issuing -upgrades in the future to both LightspeedC and Lightspeed Pascal. At present, the only support for assembly language is by use of the MDS package and the RELCONV utility which translates .REL files into Lightspeed libraries. There is no -way to combine LSP and LSC code in one program as yet. Although LSP is not completely compatible with Lisa Pascal, the job of porting code is not too onerous. LSP is able to handle modules as large as 2500 lines without difficulty, and can combine as many as 128 modules to form one -program. The toolbox interface is consistent with the May 85 Software Supplement, and support for HFS and new ROM calls will be available soon. peter ------------------------------ From: BMUG (10311) Subject: RE: Macintosh Programmers Workshop (Re: Msg 10255) Date: 15-JUL 00:44 Programming When Apple finishes with MPW it will be the fastest develepment system out in the open. I'm not to impressed with how fast programs compile but how fast I can set down and have a running program. With MPW, I think for the better programmers will be able to do it very quickly. Of of course, I'm talking about the full MPW set-up. Steve Costa/BMUG ------------------------------ From: MARSHG (10320) Subject: MacWrite dies a horrible death Date: 15-JUL 07:02 Bugs & Features After an hour of typing, MacWrite went belly-up on my wife and blew away my Plus. No bomb box - all that was left were vertical stripes on my screen. When I was running 3.1.1, MacWrite would bomb two or three times a week when -it got confused about where the clipboard was. Curiously, it would only die on -my Plus while my 512K (also running 3.1.1) would chug along merrily. It would -die when a low memory variable, which contains the clipboard handle, would turn up zero. When MacWrite found this, it would go into an infinite loop waiting for the handle to reappear. I never could re-create this on demand but it would bite regularly. Does anybody know why MacWrite has turned into a flakey beast on the Plus? Is there anything I can to to avoid the intermittant crashes? Marsh Gosnell ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH (10331) Subject: RE: MacWrite dies a horrible death (Re: Msg 10321) Date: 15-JUL 12:38 Bugs & Features Use Word. My wife had similar problems (pre-Plus) and did much better with Word, despite its less-obvious user interface. Actually, the word processor -in the upcoming MS Works is probably the best compromise between ease-of-use and functionality/reliability. Ric Ford ------------------------------ From: PEABO (10334) Subject: RE: MacWrite dies a horrible death (Re: Msg 10331) Date: 15-JUL 13:50 Bugs & Features That still doesn't address Marsh's observation that MacWrite, one of the most basic Mac applications around, seems to have trouble with *his* Plus at least. I think he's asking why the Plus causes trouble, not why MacWrite is not as good as MS-Word. I use MacWrite on my Mac Plus a good deal over the past few weeks, and didn't have any trouble with it. Evidently there is something different about Marsh's machine, or he is using cache (my favorite bugaboo), or his wife tends to use different MacWrite features from what I use. peter ------------------------------ From: MACNOSY (307) Subject: MPW bugs Date: 15-JUL 01:35 Current Discussions I submitted the following bug report to Apple on the MPW Betsa release. My first bug report complained about all the dumb bugs in the Shell editor. Bug report from Steve Jasik 7/1/86 1) In the Pascal Quickdraw unit you omitted the call to Quickdraw2 and the subsequent declaration of the globals in it. This causes the common block __Quickdraw or whatever you call it to be a bit on the short side. Unfortnately the ROM KNOWS that it is a bit longer ($CE bytes) and -proceeds to clear memory. In my case I loaded the Quickdraw globals at the bottom of my global area and it clobbered the return address when Nosy called InitGraf. While I at it on missing symbols the following didn't work: cd {MPW}Aincludes search /fontmetricrec/ 6 ATalkEqu.a DumpDefs.a equ_macros FixMath.a FSEqu.a 6 FSPrivate.a Graf3DEqu.a HardwareEqu.a PackMacs.a PrEqu.a 6 Private.a QuickEqu.a SANEMacs.a SCSIEqu.a SonyEqu.a 6 SysEqu.a SysErr.a TimeEqu.a ToolEqu.a 6 Traps.a Yanked.a ### search - Unable to open file . # File not found (OS error -43) # Usage - search [-l] pattern [files...] ### MPW Shell - Execution of input terminated. -- A very informative error message that tells me precisely what file it couldn't find. Typical Unix type shit. If you went to the effort to put up a dialog box to tell me what file you were searching (a la Lightspeed C's compiling msg) I might know where I made a mistake, if any in my syntax. Oh yea, for your info, I put a copy of equ_macros on the disk. The ROM group could use it. --- Bye the way, According to Hertzfeld's July 1,85 description of the new font mgr FontMetricRec = record Ascent,Descent,Leading,WidMax:Fixed; WTabHandle:Handle end; 2) Rez syntax Why oh why did the designer pick the double quote as the string delimeter ?? Double quotes appear in English text and error messages far more often then single quotes, and are used in Pascal, which is probably another good reason to pick them. 3) The selection of commands in the File menu of the Workshop editor is more useful then those on the Mac. To jog your memory they are: Mac Lisa WS ???? Save and Put Away/P (save file and close window) Save a Copy Save a copy in.. Save Save and Continue/S Revert to Saved Revert Close Throw Away/K After all, if this is a system for professionals with a Unix flavor, then you will allow one to close a file without a dialog box. Itried to add the following: AddMenu File 'Save & Close/P' 'Save "{Active}"; Close -y "{Active}"' but I get the following error when I use it: ### Close - 'A:MPW:Nosy_P:nosyo.p' can't be closed. (the top window) 4) The find command is slow, (how about writing it in assembler?) and the lack of markers is a pain when moving code around, etc. It is a step backwards that increases my development time. The inability of the Shell to open files that are on a locked volume is a disaster. I set the lock tab so dumb programs don't screw up my archived data. 4) Is there a way to easly move the line containing the insertion point to the make it the top line displayed in the window ?? 5) What happens to searchs where the search pattern contains blanks in a file which contains tabs ?? Are you going to do the correct thing and check the pattern, and if it contains blanks, then expand each line, etc. 6) Manual page 9-139 search command In the Output section it states that "Search Prepends the filename" Is this word really in a dictionary? I think what the writer wanted is "prefixs". Also the manual documents the default print params as "-h" not "-h -r" . 7) How about generalizing the dbl clicking tricks for () {} and [] to handle begin end, repeat until and while end 8) How about organizing Appendix B and a command list as a cheat sheet enclosed in Plastic?? 9) the output of Make consists of lines that are longer then the screen width. This is a nuisance to read when one is debugging Make file. It should be changed to wrap lines. 10) If I delete an application from Hard Disk HFS system with the new Finder in the Finder, and then remake the application in MPW. I run into the problem that I cannot launch the application by clicking on one of its documents as you provide no way of updating the finder's tables in the desktop. 11) MPW under Macworks 3.0 on an XL. Bring it up and quit immediately, and things get fowled up in the Finder, garbage on the screen, etc. (We cannot repeatly produce these symptoms in a consistent manner) 12) Print Window to an ImageWriter. You appear to be doing something funny with the Header line, it looks -funny. Also fix up your page setup. Your going to near the bottom of the page. Steve ------------------------------ From: PEABO (309) Subject: RE: MPW bugs (Re: Msg 307) Date: 15-JUL 04:01 Current Discussions On your point 10 ... delete and rebuild application causes the Finder to lose track of what application to launch -- I don't understand why this happens. It seems to me that deleting within the Finder should cause the entry in the application table to get purged. It is possible that the Inited bit is set on the rebuilt application, and therefore the Finder doesn't know enough to -update the application table? If not, it sounds like a Finder bug, not an MPW bug. -I have had to use ResEdit to purge application table entries from the Desktop before, but I have forgotten what led to needing to do this. peter ------------------------------ From: MOUSEKETEER (10337) Subject: Apple Positions Date: 15-JUL 20:34 Mousing Around Well, I can't decide if I want to be an Area Associate B or Contigency -Planner. Area Associate B sounds easier, just blame everything that goes wrong on the Area Associate A. Still, with the tremor activity in CA these days, the spot of Contigency Planner might offer more true adventure. Nah, I'll wait until the position of Absurdist Associate C opens up... anyone know when Guy -Kawasaki is leaving? (grin) Alf ------------------------------ From: LOGICHACK (10340) Subject: RE: Copy-protection (Re: Msg 10298) Date: 15-JUL 21:35 Business Mac Alf: Let's hope it is as fast as FullPaint. Maybe the sucker will be on sale at MacWorld Expo in August. In the mean time, did you know that holding down the option key when you use 'Trace Edges' will perform the game of Life (Conway's) on the selection rectangle in FullPaint? Nifty huh? I figure these are the kind of thrills you live for... Paul :) ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM (10372) Subject: RE: MultiWrite review Date: 16-JUL 04:21 Network Digests to: Paul Sampson <entropy!pds@uw-beaver.arpa> I suspect you'll be hard pressed to find a review of MultiWrite -- I talked to someone today who told me he'd called the company and learned it wouldn't be out until 27 Sep. Its original title was PreWriter, and the earliest ad (October 85 MacWorld) I can find says "Available December 1985." I wouldn't hold my breath, tho it does _look_ good. I'm sure MS Word has been reviewed; MacUser carried an article about it in their May 86 issue. ------------------------------ End of Delphi Mac Digest ************************ ------- Next, history, delete, reply, help, etc.? @